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Did E-mance go out of business

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Ok im not in a super hurry to get this ecu tuned cause im still awaiting parts but dang, its getting kind of frustrating.

Ive called the number on their website like 6 times( during the week)
also emailed 2 days ago with no repsonse.

Im not trying to rant about e-mance( i obviosly want their tune) i just want to talk to someone.

any experiences like this?
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wannaboost? wrote:Ok im not in a super hurry to get this ecu tuned cause im still awaiting parts but dang, its getting kind of frustrating.

Ive called the number on their website like 6 times( during the week)
also emailed 2 days ago with no repsonse.

Im not trying to rant about e-mance( i obviosly want their tune) i just want to talk to someone.

any experiences like this?

I had the same problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and his tune is not working, I had the first chips I was running 10 A/F on idle sent the ecu and the chip back to him, he sent it back saying it is working now I install it car drive good up to 5000 rpm could not pass. I said F it and bought a AEM off the board here.



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damn... then what should i do for a tune? im so stuck on this one because i can only spend like 200 on the tune. i just want it to work and be reliable...

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pay cheap, get cheap.

I'd save up or find a new hobby. You could use an SAFC and retard your dizzy.... see how long that lasts ya.

so you know... next time, in another life.... your tuning (brains of the car) is more important than all the other goodies you may have invested in. Imagine a person without a good brain.. Not really worth much even with a 10 inch dong, huge muscles, etc.... If you cant tell the muscles to lift properly, that big 'tough' guy won't do **** right.

invest more where it counts. tell your friends, too. lotta people making the mistake of coming up short in the tuning department after buying all the parts they *hope* will just work great on their own.
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ok do you know how many times i have heard this. like 20 times. BTW nice analogy lol.

the deal is I really dont want to cheap out on the tune, trust me i know how important it is. If i was going to risk it with just an safc then i wouldnt even spend the time or money to go ka-t.

I guess i was trying to say what are my options that are under $500.

I know there are a quadrillion posts on tuning options but for some reason, most of them dont include prices.
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wannaboost? wrote:ok do you know how many times i have heard this. like 20 times. BTW nice analogy lol.

the deal is I really dont want to cheap out on the tune, trust me i know how important it is. If i was going to risk it with just an safc then i wouldnt even spend the time or money to go ka-t.

I guess i was trying to say what are my options that are under $500.

I know there are a quadrillion posts on tuning options but for some reason, most of them dont include prices.

Check this guy out http://www.efispecialist.com/
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I have a couple of friends that have BAD results with E-mance. He keeps saying he is coming to there house to fine tune there set up's and never falls through. It has been about 3/4 weeks and nothing. He wont even reply to there emails. So in my opinion you need to save up so more cash and get something else. Maybe go with JWT. I personally haven't dealt with him so I am just relaying what I was told. :twisted:
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well thanks guys. that gives me some ideas. still undecided but i will keep looking
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72nismo wrote:I have a couple of friends that have BAD results with E-mance. He keeps saying he is coming to there house to fine tune there set up's and never falls through. It has been about 3/4 weeks and nothing. He wont even reply to there emails. So in my opinion you need to save up so more cash and get something else. Maybe go with JWT. I personally haven't dealt with him so I am just relaying what I was told. :twisted:
get them to come on here and put up an official forum dispute or something. there are a LOT of people that are upset with e-mance right now. this is something that should be more widely/openly/centrally discussed.
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haha good idea
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8-bit wrote: this is something that should be more widely/openly/centrally discussed.
I agree. I brought up some e-mance issues once over at NICO, concerning some "extreme similarities" between an e-mance tune, and a JWT tune file. I was pretty much attacked by a mod, and told that I shouldn't be complaining about cheap tunes....
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adamky wrote:
8-bit wrote: this is something that should be more widely/openly/centrally discussed.
I agree. I brought up some e-mance issues once over at NICO, concerning some "extreme similarities" between an e-mance tune, and a JWT tune file. I was pretty much attacked by a mod, and told that I shouldn't be complaining about cheap tunes....
i kinda dont get this though. if the files are so close then how is jwt good and e-mance ****?
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wannaboost? wrote:
adamky wrote:
8-bit wrote: this is something that should be more widely/openly/centrally discussed.
I agree. I brought up some e-mance issues once over at NICO, concerning some "extreme similarities" between an e-mance tune, and a JWT tune file. I was pretty much attacked by a mod, and told that I shouldn't be complaining about cheap tunes....
i kinda dont get this though. if the files are so close then how is jwt good and e-mance ****?
He wasn't saying that emance's tunes where sh*t, he was saying that they are somehow very similar to JWT's tunes. As in, maybe they were borrowed (I have no opinion on this matter).

I like to buy products from companies i can trust, who have good customer service before and after the sale. Do some reading on emance and decide if you are willing to put your money/motor on the line.

I am pretty sure that emance can do solid tunes, he is sporting his tune in a 500whp + ka iirc. I still wouldn't buy a tune for my lawnmower from him though, because if for some reason their is a problem, you will never get in touch with him.

You are having trouble trying to give him money, how hard is it going to be to contact him if you run into problems? :shock:

I hear that efi specialists has great customer service and solid tunes. If you have an s13 you can get a tuned ecu from them for ~$300. This price is very reasonable for a solid tune from a trusted company.
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ALright, fuck it. Let's get it out in the open.

If you do some real searching on e-mance, you'll find that several people have brought up the issue of WHERE he gets his tunes. Many people have found that a lot of the tunes e-mance sells, are just copies of freely available tunes as well as JWT and Enthalpy tunes. And he's been questioned more than once by Enthalpy for his use of the "Enthalpy" name in his ebay ads. It's pretty shady to use another company's name in your ad to sell your product.

OK. So what if e-mance is "allegedly" taking existing tunes and selling them to you, the user, for much less than what it is worth. That should be awesome (for you), correct? If the tune works good, then yes. But if the tune doesn't work, then No. Because e-mance doesn't create a lot of the tunes he sells, he is a lot less likely to be able to fix any issues that you have. He'll probably tell you that you need to switch to a different MAF or injectors. Why would he tell you that? My guess is so he can use another tune from his collection.

The other issue I see with him selling existing tunes is this: people are paying for what they think is a custom tune. In reality, you could probably do some searching, talk to the right people, and get that same tune for absolutely free. You'd just have to buy a daughterboard and some EEPROMS and find someone to burn the tune for you.

I have no idea what the extent of Jason's tuning skills are. For all I know he is an awesome tuner. But do some research on him, and if you can wade through all the nutswinger threads, you'll find some threads that really question where he is getting his tunes.

I really don't like to call people out. I've known this for quite a while, by speaking to some others in PMs, and then finally seeing it for myself when I compared one of e-mance's tunes to a JWT tune someone sent me. But, like I said, last time I brought the issue up on a forum, I was told by a mod to STFU, and that no one cares where he gets his tunes.
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Example:

http://forums.freshalloy.com/showthread ... e+enthalpy
Emance tunes are just stolen copies, and only sometimes slightly tweaked.

I have had a handful of people let me know that what they have purchased as an Emance tune to be copies of freely available as well as commercial tunes like RS-Enthalpy, Jwt etc... I have all these tunes and more myself (it just happens in my line of work, people changing hardware setups etc.) so I can see exactly what he is doing.

The guy has no concience, even after contacting him personally and him giving me the run around of why he was selling some of my tunes, he has the nerve to advertise chips for ka24det and sr20det but fails to mention that a daughterboard is not included. He then tells his customers to come to me to get a daughterboard (of which sometimes I am out of stock), and then I become the "bad guy" because someone cant use their goods (which are stolen copies in the first place).

That started happening after I refused to sell him PLCC daughterboards in bulk, so needless to say it really pisses me off.

Of the few times I have contacted him he trys to play it off like I dont know who he is and that he isnt the only "employee" of Emance. If you contact him about stolen tunes and he gives you the old ex-employee from canada story, you will know whats up. The guys name is Jason and he is crook. He goes by nosajton or something "not jason" .

Its not difficult to have some satisfied customers when your product is nothing more than a bootleg copy. Epstein/Enthalpy you guys seem to get the worst of it, if I were you I would seriously take action, at least get him removed from selling on ebay. I would imagine any information I could provide would be considered heresay, you would probably have to catch him redhanded yourself.

In my case the tunes he was selling were ones that I was giving away free anyways, so I didnt feel like going through all the hassle of taking serious action against the clown, but you might. If nothing else, spread the word.

Btw, this is Gabe Z. (deviousKA) from hybridka.com
Also, his consult units are ripped off as well, they are designed by Calum who has not given him permission to resell.
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nosajton is a member on this site. I have never seen him identify himself as the tuner for Emance.

If this is correct, we should demand a response to these concerns.
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8-bit wrote:nosajton is a member on this site. I have never seen him identify himself as the tuner for Emance.
Yep, that's him. He's been on here for a couple years. See here:
viewtopic.php?t=36073

I thought you already knew that.
8-bit wrote:If this is correct, we should demand a response to these concerns.
Expect one of two things:

1. No response.
2. Jason will come in here and call me a liar,... and that will be followed by people who think Jason is great and that I shouldn't be "hating" on someone who is "trying to help the KA community". (And while I may not be very well known in the Nissan circles, deviousKA is.)


Is deviousKA on these forums? I was thinking he was. I am sure he has some opinions on the matter.
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Yeah i would also like to hear what happens.What the answers to eerybodies questions are. :twisted:
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I have had problems with this guy to. I bought a tune and a consult cable. The consult cable doesn't work, so he blamed it on my Serial to USB adapter (its the same one he uses). his tune isn't worth a **** either. my t28 with his tune is slower than my t25 was with an safc 'tune'. i don't get it. Plus i get 18.0 idle, which sucks cause it starts to miss while im idling. on top of that under 2k rpms during daily driving my car leans way out to 17.0-18.0 afrs, and hesitates. he has not offered me a retune (even though i asked for one). instead he blames it on my single wire primary o2 sensor, and says i should switch to a 3 wire j30 o2 sensor.

i have also had the run around with him to. it took 3 weeks to get my ECU tune shipped back. he can't communicate worth ****. he kept telling me he was out of town on 'family emergency' and taking almost a full week just to tell me that, and yes he is on this forum as "nosajton". I have pmed him a few times on here regarding my tune, and have only gotten the responses above blaming my problems on my hardware, not his software.

FYI, look at any Nissan forum and you can find him. He will be under 1 of 2 usernames. His first username is "nosajton" and his second username is "drape123". He ebay ID is also "drape123".

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I don't think a true professional tuner would ever ask the BUYER to change their equipment. (unless specific equipment is required/posted in the advertisement of such tunes)
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i know, i asked him so many questions about his tune BEFORE i got it, and he never once said anything about needing a 3 wire o2 sensor, or whatever. i am very disappointed with the tune and customer service from this guy. if anyone has questions about my experience with him feel free to ask.
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I have had my own personal problems with Jason of Emance in the past, I have made posts such as the one quoted above when I have been a bit pissed off, but I am not one to continually drag someone through the mud on an online forum.

I really dont care what he does. My only conflict was that his actions were counter-productive to what I was trying to do with eccs.hybridka.com (in the early days), while he was leeching off the site. Now that open ecu tuning is more mainstream, I dont really care. Its up to the end user to make up their mind with the information they have available.
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deviousKA wrote:I have had my own personal problems with Jason of Emance in the past, I have made posts such as the one quoted above when I have been a bit pissed off, but I am not one to continually drag someone through the mud on an online forum.
Sorry man. I didn't mean to drag you into this, but you are one of the few credible people that has pointed this out. Not many people have spoke up about it, even though they know about it (mysef included). I'll refrain from bringing you into it in the future (as I really don't think it needs to be addressed again).

I don't feel like continually bashing someone either, so I'm done here.
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... I think it is important to share this information with new people, regardless of how 'muddy' the culprit may feel from the repeated dragging through mud.

This info should be stickied. We are a community, we protect each other and raise awareness among the group to members that are questionable.
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8-bit wrote:... I think it is important to share this information with new people, regardless of how 'muddy' the culprit may feel from the repeated dragging through mud.

This info should be stickied. We are a community, we protect each other and raise awareness among the group to members that are questionable.
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What I don't get is this-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NISSAN-E ... enameZWDVW

Are they spray painting the board or something? I designed that to fit perfectly in an nice extruded aluminum enclosure (the part number was posted with the rest of the design). In the enclosure it makes it practically indestructible, and is perfect for being tossed in a toolbox (I've got one in mine, thats why I made it in the first place). Why cheapen it up? Why not sell a quality product? I don't get it. I think if you put it in the enclosure with nicely punched endcaps and got the right consult connector (and maybe even did something radical and update the circuit design to USB, lol) people would pay the extra cost and you would have happier customers. Oh well.

Here's what the box looks like btw-

http://www.sr20forum.com/rom-ecu-tuning ... r-box.html

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You are correct about spray painting it. It's some rubbery undercoating stuff. At least that's what it was on mine.

Over the past 5 years of playing with stuff on the KA, I've learned that you need to buy quality stuff regardless of your situation. Save up, and do what you need to do. Support for the KA has come a long way. No need to cheap out anymore. I've been forced to learn how to do everything myself due to getting less than quality parts for many years now.

Shoot me a PM if anyone needs anything. I'm not much, but I know a little. This website has helped a ton, too. ECU tuning is on my list of things to learn. Been playing with it for sometime.


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wannaboost? wrote:
8-bit wrote:... I think it is important to share this information with new people, regardless of how 'muddy' the culprit may feel from the repeated dragging through mud.

This info should be stickied. We are a community, we protect each other and raise awareness among the group to members that are questionable.
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You do it.. someone with an emance ecu that they were screwed on should start it (Chue?).
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i had terrible trouble with him, and wish i wouldve just spent the bucks and get a nicer consult cable, the actual DLC cable/connector is a joke, the solder job on the board sucks too... i have 25 blank calum PCB's right now, and plan on populating em with components and then selling a few... i would avoid this guy, as for him using the calum designed boards, calum made that design public domain, and said he didnt care if people used it for profit.

BTW, i made a thread on my TERRIBLE experience here:
http://eccs.hybridka.com/viewtopic.php? ... &sk=t&sd=a
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