New Project: Mild build

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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:14 am

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AutoCon came to the Eastcoast for the first time! So after a proapproval process and registration completion, this event was in the schedule. It was NOT AT ALL an easy process to get there though. With the chassis still at the shop for fabrication work the morning of "drop-off day" at the show, there was a huge rush to get everything ready.
The whole body was dirty and had pineneedles on it, no bumper, no sideskirts and some other missing pieces. Running super behind time-wise, found the organizer's number and notified them that we were on the way with two cars (would've been 3, but that's a different story, hah). Then more traffic and further behind in schedule, but I was able to contact the organizers were kind enough to stay a little longer until we arrived. Some how we got there before they closed the doors to the convention center and now focus shifted toward the rush to get "show-ready" for the next day.

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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:20 am

I resprayed the "bash-bar" that night and loaded it up in the transport car the the next morning (had the windows down the whole drive because of the fumes, haha). That morning we rushed in, dusted everything, claybar/deatail spray and waxed everything. The BridgeMoto 6pt digicam harness and license plate was installed and the interior was cleaned up.

Despite the missing body pieces the car was well-received by many at the event.

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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:16 pm

Hi Everyone,Happy New Year! It seems like its been forever since the last post. The photo bucket hosting really put a damper on motivation post updates. I will try to post more on here.
For more "instant" updates, please feel free to check out my instagram @cleantune and @siks_tehn . I often use the "story" to post visual updates.

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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:08 pm

So THANKFULLY there is a "free" option for Photo bucket again; hoping this "free" option continues. So, as a result, time for some updates everyone!

A friend and I showed up with cars the day before Tuner Evo (TE) and found out there were no more early drop offs that day, so I unloaded the car and drove around the big lots for a bit in an attempt to burn off some excess fuel (for the req 1/4 tank rule). The tune is pretty efficient though, so I was gong to have to siphon the rest out. We drove all the way back home and had a VERY late the night before Tuner Evo Philly. A friend's car had a fuel leak, so I went over to help figure out and help find a solution. Then went back to siphon gas out of the 240 tank in the dark in the back of a trailer (on top of all the other little things that needed to be finished before going). May have gotten 1 hr of sleep, maybe, hah. Did a quick detail once we were in:
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If anyone is ever around this area, the show is at the Greater Philadelphia expo center and there is a lot of places in the area to get food and a movie theater; all whith in 5 min drive or less.
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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:27 pm

There was an autox event on Jefferson Circuit at Summit Point at the end of last year called the "Refrigerator bowl". Its basically a point to point race on the circuit with a cool down section before arriving back at grid. It was a good opportunity to try out some different parts and learn one's own setup a little better. One of the Drift Nirvana coordinators "Rapper Dan" was there along with some other members.
Photos Courtesy of Finishline productions:

It was COLD that day, so warmed up with a 360 haha:
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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:31 pm

Not too much has changed with the engine setup; just put the oil cooler back in with a partsshopmax oil filter relocation and plumbed in the accusump with an electronic pressure control valve.
Old dyno sheet from R/T:

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Had the valve coaver coated by Bonehead Performance and did a few little things to tidy up the appearance of the engine bay for the show that was planned for the end of January:

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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:44 pm

towards the end of last year (2017), we had partnered up with Automotive Training Center (ATC) to help promote their school and all the great opportunities and variety of classes they have to offer their students:

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The show was a great success. We had many opportunities to talk to people at the event; talking about the services ATC provides for their students, educating about products we used on these cars, as well as talking with them about their own builds and plans. Overall it was a great time. The event ended the same day as the superbowl and the weather wasn't too great, but thankfully we managed to get out of the city before the game was over and before temps dropped below freezing.
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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:47 am

Decided to make some big changes in the engine bay. I will be parting out the entire current engine setup. Please feel free to message me on here if interested in anything. Can ship any bolt ons right away. The internals will be ready following the block teardown that I will be documenting on here. More updates coming soon, stay tuned everyone!
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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby adamky » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:02 pm

What are these big changes? Don't hold out on us!
Wiseco/Eagle, JWT S1 cams, BC valve springs, PT5857, ID1700 injectors, SR20DET ECU w/ Nismotronic, etc, etc...
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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:40 pm

adamky wrote:What are these big changes? Don't hold out on us!


...oh ya know...things :dance:

I'll post updates as stuff changes. I can plan for months to do something and then decide to change it last minute :dunno:

More pics, and again if anyone sees something they like on this engine setup- literally anything (radiator, fans, powersteering pump, etc),
lemme know. Haven't got to block disassembly because I plan to shoot some vid footage for everyone, but planning on doing this soon!

Starting the prep for pulling the engine:
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The straps were kinda stretchy, but worked; and before anyone points this out, the strap looped around the downpipe wasn't supporting any weight (just tied it to get it out of the way). Left the shifter on too, so had to reach through the trans tunnel to remove it, lol.

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...aaaaaaaand its out! (with some help from some fellow enthusiasts of course)

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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:52 pm

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WHaT A MeSs....

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Started taking pics of individual parts (all for sale) from this setup. Will be starting a fs thread on here with part detail listed.

These pipes are incredibly lightweight; all aluminum:

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Inverted GReddy FMIC with Vibrant aluminum 90's. Some very Minor battle scars on the FMIC; no penetrations though:

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Backside:
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Bottom (now top crushed fin area):

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Currently working on disassembling the bolt ons- someone thought it was a "good" idea to tack weld every bolt holding the turbo onto the manifold; ugh.
Also working on simplifying the mess in the engine bay. I post progress on this much more often on my instagram story (@cleantune). More updates on the Way!

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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:09 pm

VERY interesting and perplexing finds so far with this engine. Just to preface as to WHY....
This engine has been through some complete rebuilds (full disassembly more than once before) and I was NOT directly involved with the part choice, specs, or final assembly (HUGE mistake, but did this to save time). So far I have found the following with the engine alone....

1. exhaust leak due to the gasket not sealing properly (from nuts that were not tight to spec)

2. BC cams are two different sizes, with the Larger on the intake side (WHY on earth would we take in more air than we can send out?!)

3. I've read BC cams that needed to be machined (cut off distributor end that is used on altima KA) also need to be swapped with the intake cam when using in the 240sx KA motor (can someone please confirm this?!), but clearly the only cam that was machined is STILL on the Exhaust side?!

4. Pics below show that this head is not a 240sx head, but as someone had pointed out to me, it looks to be a Nissan Frontier head. Note the "missing" 11th and 12th cam caps near the rear of the engine. I looked up the speedometer clusters for both and the 240sx cluster appear to redline 1k higher than the Frontier Tach.

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...Just at a loss for words right now; if I am overreacting someone please tell me- I'm just trying to wrap my head all this- Everything just is not making sense to me at the moment. My curiousity as to how much better this would have ran with different parts and my direct involvement with the engine build continues to grow stronger with every new layer that is uncovered.

Stay tuned as we dive deeper into the internals!!! :icon-rolleyes:
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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby orion » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:45 am

cleantune wrote:4. Pics below show that this head is not a 240sx head, but as someone had pointed out to me, it looks to be a Nissan Frontier head. Note the "missing" 11th and 12th cam caps near the rear of the engine. I looked up the speedometer clusters for both and the 240sx cluster appear to redline 1k higher than the Frontier Tach.

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...Just at a loss for words right now; if I am overreacting someone please tell me- I'm just trying to wrap my head all this- Everything just is not making sense to me at the moment. My curiousity as to how much better this would have ran with different parts and my direct involvement with the engine build continues to grow stronger with every new layer that is uncovered.


I think it's your original head - '97-98 240sx / KA24 heads did not have the rearmost cam towers...

You'll need to press the oil plug in further to be sure you maintain oil pressure.

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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:50 pm

^ thanks Brian, I'll take another look at it.

For those who are not already following my instagram (@cleantune), I have been posting videos and pictures of the engine teardown and hope to have a POV video of the engine disassembly up on yt by the end of the month (I'll post the link here when available). Again EVERYTHING for this engine is for sale "as is" and I'd be happy to send you additional pics or provide more info upon request. FS thread will be posted sometime this month or next.

Currently working on simplifying the wiring and barely resisting the urge to redo ALL of the electrical harnesses and fuse/relay boxes.
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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:34 am

WOW, didn't realize how long its been since this thread was updated! Left this thread last time with some what of a "cliff hanger" after mentioning "big changes" are in the works. After the oil starvation incident at Pocono Raceway, I had to figure out what to do with the engine: Rebuild or replace?

I had found a place experienced with building KA motors: http://www.handcraftedracing.com/KA24DEcrate.html

The plan was to simply replace the long block retune and get back to driving! Easy enough, right?!

The KA transmission was making some interesting noises, so I picked up a CD00A during a discount sale (basically a CD009 350z trans, but new code for new year); figured this trans is pretty universal and I had even read of Supra fans starting to go after these due to their durability and less cost than the Getrag transmissions.

The goal was to get back to the track as soon as possible, so the more bolt-on/ drop-in parts were, the better!

We had an extended period of downtime, when another person I went to the track with found some issues with their motor. During this downtime I started contemplating what to do motor-wise.

Through many nights of research, I had narrowed it down to:

1. New rebuilt longblock (KA24de-t)
2. 1UZFE (collins adapters makes a kit and I read some early versions were built with intent to use the motor in race applications, plus readily available)
3. 1JZ (high reving, durable, can easily switch to single turbo without tuning, but parts not readily available in the states)
3. 2JZ (durable, parts readily available in the states)
4. LS (I strongly hesitate to even mention this because of the mixed internet feelingss on this)

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Then it was: Built KA24de longblock, 2JZ or LS :angry-tappingfoot: (...ya I know)

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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:57 am

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Considered an SR- would also be pretty drop-in and tunable.

Already had a tuner and Rebuild shop in mind for the KA24de, so to level the playing field a bit, started looking at shops that do full motor rebuilds and tunes for the 2Jz and LS.

Considered just doing an OEM 2jz or LS too. After talking to many people at events and internet/youtube searching, found both were good, but some minor things could be improved (more with LS than the 2JZ).

The goal was a reliable motor that made power and didn't have a lot of moving parts. Part of this goal was also to find a "drop-in package deal" for minimum down time. There are videos out there where these people rev and thrash on their 2J and LS motors and their maintenance for the year is just oil and filter changes. Now, yes, this is a case-by-case type of occurrence, but the fact that there is that possibility was tempting (to say the least); keeping in mind the OEM power levels


I had considered that there may have been issues with the specs of the motor build or the tune, or the way the motor as driven (by me), broken-in, or how the oil system was plumbed; BUT for a long time I have been very cautious how this KA24de-t motor and transmission was treated; mainly because I wanted to avoid a 4th or 5th rebuild.

After doing some internet price estimations, we found that being this was for a performance application, we would be buying OEM parts (as part of the OEM engine), to then just replace with performance parts; and if the used motor did need a rebuild - we'd be paying for an engine build anyways. It seemed almost less expensive to build the engine.

I contacted Golen Engine service:
https://golenengineservice.com/

I contaced Holley :
https://www.holley.com/



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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Wed May 01, 2019 11:46 am

SERIOUSLY nerve-racking experience taking a cutting wheel to a perfectly fine transmission, lol :D

CD00A (basically CD009, but new year so new number ID). After marking the bell housing with a paint marker (using the one casting rib as reference and a tape measure), we used an angle grider w/ cutting disc and then a 60 and 80 grit flap disc to smooth; also cut off one of the "ears" on the side of the trans (for attaching 350z/370z things) that wont be needed for this application (smoothed this cut surface out as well - will help give clearance when fitting the trans in the tunnel:
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Trimmed the end of this bolt flush w/ flap disc on angle grinder to ensure clearance with the adapter plate (**had everything taped up and wrapped to ensure no metal debris got into exposed areas- since the adapater plate is replacing the input shaft seal cover:
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New aluminum bell housing onto the Collin's adapter plate first:
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Adapter plate and new bell housing attached to the modified transmission:
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Tried hard to prevent a gap between the adapter plate and the original trans, but after having some difficulty of getting it to sit flush, decided to just trim a little extra off. This gap may help with cooling a bit...at least that's my excuse :mrgreen:
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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Tue May 21, 2019 8:49 am

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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Tue May 21, 2019 8:50 am

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I apologize for the lack of updates on here. Planning on posting more pictures as plans for this project develop. Currently working on solutions to the following:
•Fuel storage+delivery
•cooling
•oil system
•power steering
•exhaust and intake
• wiring

*then plumbing everything

For electronics: planning on using another ems with a PDM and battery isolator- will post more on this later.
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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby nelson240sx » Thu May 23, 2019 10:17 am

No videos of this build....I'm waiting for an update on YT. Looks like youre collecting some nice parts
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Re: New Project: Mild build

Postby cleantune » Thu May 23, 2019 7:05 pm

nelson240sx wrote:No videos of this build....I'm waiting for an update on YT. Looks like youre collecting some nice parts


Thanks! yes, taking f o r e v e r to get this thing working. I could do an update vid on YT if people are interested. Anything in particular? or just a full up to date over view of where everything is currently at?
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