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Thanks for everyone's input and compliments. I am no engineer, well a computer guy, but knowledge is key. Read, read, read, apply, and read more. Failure will never be an option!

This wasn't my turbo. I bought it off eBay. The turbonetic's center section from the one shown above is FUBAR'D. It was hard as h3ll to pull out the turbine shaft and you can see all the caked up oil. Bearings are seized or something similar. The only thing I used from the turbo above was the turbine wheel. The one I had before was stripped/cross threaded. So I bought this to replace that and rebuild my current turbo. This is why you see Garrett on the orange housing and not polished Turbonetic's housing. I didnt decide to make a little write up until after I disassembled my current turbo. I am going to use another center section, rebuild and sell the 57 Trim or might use on another project.

If any wants to know, it is a Stage III .63 a/r. With the polished 57 trim, it would yield 350hp efficiently. With the Garrett 60 trim, which has same measurements of a 60-1 will yield 450hp efficiently. Granted you can make more power than stated, but it happens at a marginal cost. Go up in HP, more heat and other factors begin to happen.

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Yesterday my son and I went for a ride to get the car washed. So the whole time when we were driving i see this huge smile on his face. Bigger than mine. I ask him whats up. He says since you got the car working, we can go to the parts store to buy a key chain. So we go there and hes looking. The guy at the counter was watching him and said hes gonna grow up to love nissans. I am like yup. He finds the nissan key chain and hands it to the clerk then tells me to pay for it - classic. This kid is too much.

I filled up two 5 gallon jugs last night when I came back from ft lauderdale. So today, i am going to fill her up and go for a little cruise. It feels good to get in the car and drive without worrying about anything even though my eyes are always watching the temp and wideband. The joys of life!
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All right guys, here is a quick interpretation of the Greddy emanage. It is a good software/piggyback but if you are going over 150% injector size, you will have issues idling. I could not get it higher than 12.8afr @ idle. Cruising was fine around 13.5-14 but idle was killing me. I did not like this because I do not want to prematurely wear the bore especially with wiseco pistons because I read that there are finicky with wall to piston clearances. Before I bought the greddy, I was tuning with a plms daugtherboard. The reason why i went with greddy is because I got sick of burning chips. I got a deal on the emanage and said I will give it a try. Well, like I stated above, it did not get me where I wanted. I wanted to use the emanage with a chipped ecu so I took a bin from the ecu tuning section for 740cc-n62 maf. I now how way more control with the emanage now. I can idle around 14.5-15 steady. Cruising is the same but got really rich above 3k. I did not want to modify the air flow adjustment due to i read it skews the timing. So to counter this, I loaded the bin in TunerPro and modified the fuel map. If I go lean above 13, that will be fine because I will add the fuel with the emanage.

I know some people will probably have negative comments due to money with this setup but it is what it is. I got the ecu for free and paid $160 for emanage. I did not want nistune or calum due to spending more than $300, I'd rather get a squirt. Being money does not grow on trees, I could not get a squirt because final tally is around $500 when you buy sensors and misc items. Squirt is the next item on the list.

So if anyone is in my predicament, you can use the emanage with a chipped ecu. If you ecu has a vq map for n62, use 2-0-1 for rotary settings.

Now I have been driving around town just putting miles on the car to break in the motor fully and clutch. Maybe 3 gas tanks later, I can record some WOT pulls.
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Went for a cruise tonight. Some vids but the audio is horrible. I was trying to get the turbo spooling and bov going off. I was using a Kodak "Hand Pro". I have about 78 miles on the clutch. Just another 400 and I can finally tune in boost.

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looking good man!!!!! time for some tuning AFRS are everywhere and then time for a new steering wheel and seat haha

also is your temp gauge off?! cuz i can barely see the needle and it looks almost maxed
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Thanks. I have only tuned so far for idle and light cruise. Also, in the vid when it was jumping to 20 afr, that was me letting go of the gas due to trying to hear the bov and also with the hand pro I was feeling uneasy so I was cautious about my speed and other cars. If I floor it, it will go just fine but if I do between 40% to 75% throttle, it will break up. She's getting there.

Both seats and wheel need to be replaced. I bought these cheap seats from craigslist for $130 for the pair. The original seat busted and I found these which are cheap chinese imitations for the fastest replacement. I already had to repair the driver seat because of the thin metal they used to construct it with.

The temp gauge is another item i want to get. It is in the middle but I hate wondering about it so autometer is on the list. I bought a fail proof thermo so in case the car overheats, it will stay open no matter what.
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As street pointed out, the afr's were kinda crazy. Turns out I have a bad fuel pump ready to go out. I have another pump that I am going to swap in. I also bought a 300lph Bosch 044 that I am going to hook up in-line as well. No more starvation!
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I remember when I bought my 240, I ordered that same wheel. Do yourself a favor and get a nice sparco or something along those lines. that thing sucks hahaa.
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Yea but for $40 you can't go wrong. I would have kept the stock wheel on but after driving it,I would have to dust black off of my clothes. It was a damn pain. Soon items that are not important will be replaced. Still deciding to buy rims, coils, or tranny.
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supakat wrote:Yea but for $40 you can't go wrong. I would have kept the stock wheel on but after driving it,I would have to dust black off of my clothes. It was a damn pain. Soon items that are not important will be replaced. Still deciding to buy rims, coils, or tranny.
its just too tiny and weak as hell! without power steering it nearly bends in half when you turn :lol: but i hear ya
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Installed the inline pump and corrected issue with in-tank pump. I am seeing 8psi. She feels good but does not feel as fast when i blew the ring lands.

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So last night was a good night. I am running rich before boost around 11.5 and 10.8 in boost. I will be doing some more tuning in these areas and have 13.5 pre boost and 11.5 wot. It should look like 13.5 until 3K then start dropping to 11.5 by 4k till redline. It is a sweet thing. Hopefully soon I will be purchasing a MBC and get close to 20psi. Then tune and hit dyno. Hopefully hitting 450whp.
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Hey man the car is looking great, glad to hear its running well too.. Tuning is where the fun starts haha

I run e85 down to about 16-17 cruising, 14-15 light throttle and 12s low boost 11s high boost. I run it pretty close to as lean as it will haply burn... just keep in mind that it burns a lot cooler and you can get away with it being a little leaner.

This works great for me at least
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So how much timing are you running? I was planning on running just about a stock timing map at 17-18psi to start off.
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Thanks for the props. Tuning is really where its at especially when your real time. I hated tuning with just the plms board. I would have to log, make changes, burn, then go back out and do it all over again until I am happy.

I have been reading e85 forums/tuning and a general consensus is that running leaner than 11.5 shows a little gain of more power. Some run boost at 12.5 @ 15psi. I am really babying this motor. I dont want anything to go wrong that I can avoid. Also, after I get the afr's down pack, I will start adding timing and back off two degrees when I see knock.

Also, I can probably turn down the fuel to add for economy as well but, I may be on winter blend right now so it runs richer than summer blend. So if I keep to 11.5 on winter blend, I could see 12 on summer blend.
bmitchell_ga wrote:So how much timing are you running? I was planning on running just about a stock timing map at 17-18psi to start off.
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Did some more tuning last night. She is running good. I just need to change one issue which is minor but full boost is 11.8 and starts to drop to 11.0-10.8 around 6k. I need to run the consult and see what tp cell I am at and modify the base tune. I like the settings I have for the e-manage and I will take away fuel with the plms board instead of interfering with that.
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That looks prretty good. Is there any reason you don't have your rpm's scaled to 7500?
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I ghetto rigged the ecu setup. While the rom tune is scaled for 6400, I can control anything over that with the emanage. I took a bin from the Ecu section, did some minor modifications. I can still change the scale but havent had a reason to mod it. I wish I had a squirt and be done with rom tuning. Later down the road when I get bored I will get a squirt. But right now I am having fun driving the car right now and the setup is working fine.

Last night tuning session was good. I am pleased and feel safe with it. I am going to see about doing some dyno pulls with dynolicious and my jailbroke itouch.
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Quick update:

Been driving around town here and there. She is pulling good and no issues except for a high pressure steering hose acting up. I only have another 100 miles before I can do some more intense driving and track. Besides that, I try finding any reason to take the car out for a drive. I say in about 3 weeks of more I should be going to the track. Looking to run mid to high 13's since I will not be coming out of the hole hard.
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No pictures but I thought I would update. First, my starter took a dump. Rather than opening the current one and cleaning/repairing, I just opted to pick up a new one which only cost me $91. Then my intank jag pump **** on me as well. I bought a walbro. So since a week ago, I have not driven my car and this damn fast 5 is coming out. I just wanted to have my car running, even though I wont drive it to the movies but just knowing she is good is better than watching a movie knowing your baby is down and out.

I changed the starter when I got home from work. Then the kids, wife and I went to the pool and chilled. Ate dinner and at 9pm. I was in the garage changing the pump. I dropped her in and bolted everything back up. When i turned on the car, I could not hear it or feel it. i then took it out and confirmed its operation. It is much quieter than my last walbro which threw me off. Finally, I took the car for a cruise and let me tell you, it feels so damn good. I did a couple 2nd to 4th runs. She is feeling nice. I am looking to get a go pro maybe so i can take some vids. I want to hit the track with 8psi and see what she does. I got my boost controller in but I want to get a baseline with 8psi then boost up to 15psi and finish with 22psi. Hopefully i can get some vids in.
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Thought I would update you guys. Been driving every chance I get. Have about 1500 on the motor and she is pulling nice. I am convinced that I tired of 8lbs. I want to go to the drag to get a base before I up the boost.

the vlsd rear end is great. 1st goes to 40mph. 2nd to 70mph, 3rd to 105mph and 4th haven't tried. So for not to 60 times, it feels like it may be around 6 seconds or less. The motor is running healthy and no issues. Hopefully I can get to the track by next month.
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How accurate is dynolicious? I'm thinking about trying it out.
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It showed to be around 245hp with 250tq when I had 8lbs and 93. I then used gt pro from a friend and it showed 242hp. So I would think give or take a few. Good for a ball park figure.

I spoke with a shop around here and they said $100 per hour to rent dyno. $75 for 3 dyno runs or $200 per hour and they tune.
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Went out for a cruise and this svt stang was tailing me. i got on it a lil and it stayed on me so i was like ok here we go. Pulled up to the light and when it turned green took off. All I know is I let go in third getting close to 100mph and look in the side view and the stang was i am thinking around 2-3 car lengths behind. When he pulled up at the next light, first words was man that f@cking car is fast! He said he was doing 85mph and I was still pulling. I told him only 8lbs and kidded with me saying yea only 8lbs but saying it like i said it cuz 8lbs is nothing. so when i up to 16 or 20, whats gonna happen. had fun today. I saw this protege with big writing of a local shop that i wanted pwn but he turned off. I hope i get a chance to run a shops car so when they ask who built the motor or tuned the car, I can say I did it. Even down to the paint. Feels good to have a grassroots car that can hang with local competition.
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Can't remember what size it is. That may be it.

As for talking to myself, that is fine. I don't need people's approval to go on with my life. I am too old to care what people think. I have 3 main qoutes that I go by:

People fear what they don't understand, hate what they can't conquer, i guess that's just the theory of man! - Nas

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Who gives a fcuk what people say, because in the end, whether you do good or bad, they will always be talking **** - Supakat

My Maslow's hierarchy of needs is in check. If people want to comment, that is fine.

This is MY project. When I say my project, that means no work on the car is being paid for, only parts and we are doing the work. I love it when people comment on the car because I can take majority of the credit as well as my bro in laws. Only 3 people work on the car. To each their own. I built my car for me but I also want to run some local shops if I can. Imagine, building your own motor, modding it, tuning it and beating a local shop who tunes and build motors. That is a major accomplishment in my book.
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supakat wrote:Can't remember what size it is. That may be it.

As for talking to myself, that is fine. I don't need people's approval to go on with my life. I am too old to care what people think. I have 3 main qoutes that I go by:

People fear what they don't understand, hate what they can't conquer, i guess that's just the theory of man! - Nas

Just do what you feel and never follow - Redman/Method Man

Who gives a fcuk what people say, because in the end, whether you do good or bad, they will always be talking **** - Supakat

My Maslow's hierarchy of needs is in check. If people want to comment, that is fine.

This is MY project. When I say my project, that means no work on the car is being paid for, only parts and we are doing the work. I love it when people comment on the car because I can take majority of the credit as well as my bro in laws. Only 3 people work on the car. To each their own. I built my car for me but I also want to run some local shops if I can. Imagine, building your own motor, modding it, tuning it and beating a local shop who tunes and build motors. That is a major accomplishment in my book.
I completely agree with you man. I have done everything to my car beside the tig welding and the cage. Only becuase I dont have a tig welder. I am very particulur on who I let work on my car. I have my good friend help me and hes the only person I really trust to do anything. Anymore I take the parts I need welded to my welder and have him do that stuff for me. But It pisses me off when people ask who built my car and people dont realize how much work goes into building a car like this.

But anyways you have a really nice build, keep up the good work!
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That is what being a true enthusiast is in my book. You do not have the financial backing but you make do with what you got. You also fabricate/complete the work yourself where and when you can. I want to make an intake mani but no welder. I wish I had a tig, we only have my bro in laws mig on-site. Fortunately, I only have had one thing tig'd on my ic piping.

Thanks for the praise but that intake mani you just posted is sick. Plus your work is meticulous. I would have never painted the subframe or arms like you did. Your attention to detail is impeccable.

I wish an intake mani was not so expensive. I need to save my money for tranny, wheels, and suspension. Mani can wait. But then again, that is why I love working on projects, it is a journey from the beginning to end.

Has anyone seen the movie, "The World's Fastest Indian"? Watch it if you haven't. You will appreciate if you feel how I feel with working on your own car.

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Haha thanks man. I have taken apart and out back together almost everything on this car a few times. I got so tired of stuff getting in my eyes when I got under the car so I POR15 the under body and had the arms and sub frame powder coated, We'll see how clean it looks when I actually start wiring everything up :/

Ill have to check out that movie!
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supakat wrote:
I have read dsm's running 20* @ 20psi with e85. I won't know what my motor has until I start playing with timing but here is what the map is at now.
A friend of mine was on a stock block 4g63 and hold the record for the highest HP stock block. He was running like 24 degrees at I think 40psi! Crazy stuff they are doing! Although they have a shorter stroke so I wouldn't try that with a ka... :roll:
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@avp: offer is tempting but I have to stay focused on my needs.

@pdavis: yea I know what you mean about the girt = grease and dirt, fall on your face. I want to put the car on a lift and pressure wash the under body then lizardskin it. Yea the dsm's are nasty. I have been seeing some run comp TBB turbo's with nasty power.
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