UK build, KA24de-T in Ginetta IT LIVES :D
UK build, KA24de-T in Ginetta IT LIVES :D
Hi all,
I bought a 1980s GRP kit car but after welding the diff the gearbox died and then it became obvious my piston rings had had enough as well.
Long and short is I managed to get hold of a KA-T at a bargain price (as nobody knows anything about them over here) now I just need to try and make it fit.
I got a decent quote from a local garage so dropped it off with them, 2 months later they had barely touched it so I have taken it back and going to do it myself
Weekends to do list:
Hoist out engine
Attach Gearbox and refit
Find an angle / position this engine fits at (much taller than 2.8 cologne)
Template engine mounts for tamed fabricator to make for me
Win at life.
Im not 100% on the spec of the engine but from what I can gather its a T3/TD04E 0.50 A/R and has 550cc injectors. Other than that I have yet to find out.
Some pictures for you as im sure youll have no idea what a Ginetta is and they only made 6 kits for this model. p.s. its not a pretty car
and a cheeky picture from my local track running <100bhp with no piston rings. Only done 3 laps in this car
I bought a 1980s GRP kit car but after welding the diff the gearbox died and then it became obvious my piston rings had had enough as well.
Long and short is I managed to get hold of a KA-T at a bargain price (as nobody knows anything about them over here) now I just need to try and make it fit.
I got a decent quote from a local garage so dropped it off with them, 2 months later they had barely touched it so I have taken it back and going to do it myself
Weekends to do list:
Hoist out engine
Attach Gearbox and refit
Find an angle / position this engine fits at (much taller than 2.8 cologne)
Template engine mounts for tamed fabricator to make for me
Win at life.
Im not 100% on the spec of the engine but from what I can gather its a T3/TD04E 0.50 A/R and has 550cc injectors. Other than that I have yet to find out.
Some pictures for you as im sure youll have no idea what a Ginetta is and they only made 6 kits for this model. p.s. its not a pretty car
and a cheeky picture from my local track running <100bhp with no piston rings. Only done 3 laps in this car
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You aren't far wong it is Ford based, the chassis fits a cortina mk3/4/5 jig and the rest of the parts are from varying UKDM models, fiesta doors, capri engine etc.187MotorSports wrote:Looks a little top gearish. car looks like a long lost cousin from the foxbody family.
I see what you mean about topgear, the back end especially
Thanks I doubt you will see one again either, I can only find pictures of one other.jmcc wrote:thats a neat looking car. and somthing i have never seen before.
To cut a long story short I dropped the car and engine off with a well respected garage back in April/May time as they gave me a very reasonable quote for fitting.
For whatever reason over 2 months later very little progress had happened and it was agreed the car would be returned to me to fit myself.
The list of reasons I had for the engine not fitting were as follows.
-Inlet manifold fouls the brake master cylinder smaller cylinder required.
-Engine sits too high due to lack of sump clearance on front subframe
-Bonnet needs cutting due to height of engine
-Gearbox fouls high level chassis member
-Gearbox does not line up with prop
-If the above gearbox problems are overcome then the shifter wont fit
-Chassis wont take the power
This was my progress in 1 day on a gravel drive with my newly purchased engine hoist
It fits !
Bit messy but its in, loads of space for new rad and intercooler.
Plenty of clearance here, note the shiny new non fitting bolts as the old ones were left in the engine bay when the car was transported...
Brake pipes are **** but fit as are and will be lots of room when re-routed
Even the shifter is spot on. (doesn't line up 100% as no engine / gbox mounts made yet)
Even the bonnet fits, couldnt have done it without my faithful assistant tho :wack::thumbs:
Not pictured but theres even a chance that the Nissan KA prop shaft is going to bolt straight up to my ford diff and be the right length. Held it up under the car and the pcd on the diff flange appears to match up but it might be 10mm to short. We will see.
The only issue I have found so far is that the external waste gate wont fit as is, I might be able to squeeze it on by clocking the housing around a bit but we'll see. Other than that its all good.
Next jobs are to lift it back out again so I can grind off the old engine mounts which are welded to the chassis, make up some new mounts (which will lift the engine about 5-10mm as currently resting on the subframe and then its just wiring and plumbing. I might actually have this thing back on the road by Christmas.
Turbo is a T3/T04E .60 A/R
Also I have found somebody with the same chassis as me running a tuned YB engine on the Hillclimbs so I should be okay chassis wise
Thanks to everybody who read that massive essay :smash:
For whatever reason over 2 months later very little progress had happened and it was agreed the car would be returned to me to fit myself.
The list of reasons I had for the engine not fitting were as follows.
-Inlet manifold fouls the brake master cylinder smaller cylinder required.
-Engine sits too high due to lack of sump clearance on front subframe
-Bonnet needs cutting due to height of engine
-Gearbox fouls high level chassis member
-Gearbox does not line up with prop
-If the above gearbox problems are overcome then the shifter wont fit
-Chassis wont take the power
This was my progress in 1 day on a gravel drive with my newly purchased engine hoist
It fits !
Bit messy but its in, loads of space for new rad and intercooler.
Plenty of clearance here, note the shiny new non fitting bolts as the old ones were left in the engine bay when the car was transported...
Brake pipes are **** but fit as are and will be lots of room when re-routed
Even the shifter is spot on. (doesn't line up 100% as no engine / gbox mounts made yet)
Even the bonnet fits, couldnt have done it without my faithful assistant tho :wack::thumbs:
Not pictured but theres even a chance that the Nissan KA prop shaft is going to bolt straight up to my ford diff and be the right length. Held it up under the car and the pcd on the diff flange appears to match up but it might be 10mm to short. We will see.
The only issue I have found so far is that the external waste gate wont fit as is, I might be able to squeeze it on by clocking the housing around a bit but we'll see. Other than that its all good.
Next jobs are to lift it back out again so I can grind off the old engine mounts which are welded to the chassis, make up some new mounts (which will lift the engine about 5-10mm as currently resting on the subframe and then its just wiring and plumbing. I might actually have this thing back on the road by Christmas.
Turbo is a T3/T04E .60 A/R
Also I have found somebody with the same chassis as me running a tuned YB engine on the Hillclimbs so I should be okay chassis wise
Thanks to everybody who read that massive essay :smash:
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The car is being built for drift yes going to be fabbing up some solid engine mounts with box section steel next weekend and probably a poly mount for the gearbox, then should really start making progress.
Hopefully by solid mounting I will knock out a lot of the wheel hop I'm getting from the rear axle
Turbo wise, general UK consensus is eBay turbod are normally fine if run below 1 bar. I think this is an unopened block so 8-11psi for me
Hopefully by solid mounting I will knock out a lot of the wheel hop I'm getting from the rear axle
Turbo wise, general UK consensus is eBay turbod are normally fine if run below 1 bar. I think this is an unopened block so 8-11psi for me
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what do you mean clocks? I think that we call them something else here. I know the gear boxes (transmissions) have different bell housings, but internally they are the same other then the gear ratios are different, so you can swap the front half of the case of one to the other, here a lot of people do it because sr and ca transmissions are hard to come by here, but you could put a ka front half on an sr transmission just as easily.
I figured that but I did not want to say anything and throw people off. Jargon like 60 clicks depends on what you are talking about. If speedo, then 60 km, if watch, then 60 seconds. I watch bbc top gear and pick up on this stuff. I especially like not to 60 which is 0-60 and pronounce the letter z as zed. For example 240 zed. It is great.
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Spent a whole weekend and have little to show for it? Welcome to KA-T.ORG
Good thing us americans are always blowing these things up and parting them out.... you should have a few barges worth of KA parts on their way over
Good thing us americans are always blowing these things up and parting them out.... you should have a few barges worth of KA parts on their way over
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Lol fitting reply, not got much done since the last update really despite spending plenty of time on it. Main reason is I am fabricating the engine mounts and considering I've never made even a bracket before I want to make sure I do a decent job
Thought these might be of interest, its a mockup of the engine bay, forgive my lame CAD skills as its the first time ive attempted anything in 3D and technically im only using measuring software lol.
Its only a draft at the moment but should be almost mm perfect except for the subframe
Eventual plan is to get the whole frame into CAD.
Thought these might be of interest, its a mockup of the engine bay, forgive my lame CAD skills as its the first time ive attempted anything in 3D and technically im only using measuring software lol.
Its only a draft at the moment but should be almost mm perfect except for the subframe
Eventual plan is to get the whole frame into CAD.
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Post it here. I want to see how it came out. I know how it should look but just curious on welds, placement, etc.
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Haha its not pretty, but it works really well. I had to mount the stick on the pan, in an easy to reach spot. You could drill a hole in the block and do it right.
The big bung in the back is for a coolant temp sensor.
Theres a few threads along the girdle.. works perfect to steady the pickup
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Yeah I had thought of doing that but its in with the standard sump. I dont have very much clearance as the steering rack is on top of the subframe but the whole front bowl fits infront of the subframe so it wont make much difference.
This is the only video I have but its pretty awful. This was the last journey the v6 saw before it finally died.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBQlCALpOg
As for weight it should be about 950kg with all the interior and seats etc in. So I imagine that it should be in the region of 8##kg when its back on the road.
This is the only video I have but its pretty awful. This was the last journey the v6 saw before it finally died.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBQlCALpOg
As for weight it should be about 950kg with all the interior and seats etc in. So I imagine that it should be in the region of 8##kg when its back on the road.
Just a minor update really as I have been away for the last couple of weekends and wont be around this weekend either
However I have progressed the 3D model a little bit and it now looks something like this..
it still needs plenty of refining and I have an error of about an inch between the main rails and clearly the rear section of the car still needs measuring up and drawing, however it is progress and perhaps when it is done and accurate it will be of help to somebody else.
In other news I have attacked the bonnet and it now shuts properly but I havent yet decided what I am going to do about making it look a bit more presentable.I dont really want scoops ducting any more air under the bonnet as at the moment it will have to come out of the bottom of the car creating lift and not doing very much for cooling. I am intending to open up the wings to help sort out the airflow but this needs more thought as yet
As you can see the cam cover is barely interfering with the bonnet and I could probably get away with covering the hole over with a thin layer of fibreglass however the turbo is a concern as its clearly going to get very hot and I dont know how well the bonnet will cope.
Also I have cut one engine mount to size but no picture of that yet.
However I have progressed the 3D model a little bit and it now looks something like this..
it still needs plenty of refining and I have an error of about an inch between the main rails and clearly the rear section of the car still needs measuring up and drawing, however it is progress and perhaps when it is done and accurate it will be of help to somebody else.
In other news I have attacked the bonnet and it now shuts properly but I havent yet decided what I am going to do about making it look a bit more presentable.I dont really want scoops ducting any more air under the bonnet as at the moment it will have to come out of the bottom of the car creating lift and not doing very much for cooling. I am intending to open up the wings to help sort out the airflow but this needs more thought as yet
As you can see the cam cover is barely interfering with the bonnet and I could probably get away with covering the hole over with a thin layer of fibreglass however the turbo is a concern as its clearly going to get very hot and I dont know how well the bonnet will cope.
Also I have cut one engine mount to size but no picture of that yet.
What if you do like an eclipse?
Don't do this!
Don't do this!
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Its not a bad shout but the bonnet already has a raised section in the middle so its going to look a little queer with a bump on one side. It will also keep the heat in which is the last thing my plastic car wants. The last time I drove the car at speed the bonnet was bouncing around as the air was getting trapped underneath it.
Really ive just been putting off making a proper start on the engine mounts as its my first time doing any kind of fabricating and I dont want to waste a ton of steel with cockups
Really ive just been putting off making a proper start on the engine mounts as its my first time doing any kind of fabricating and I dont want to waste a ton of steel with cockups