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R@mon
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 Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: Junkyard Power steering delete brackets |
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For all you guys who eliminated your power steering, this is a simple/cheap way to run a single belt for both your water pump and alternator.
parts needed:
SOHC Lower Alt bracket
SOHC Upper Alt bracket
SOHC water outlet (DOHC hits belt)
35" 3 rib belt
the water pump pulley and the outer most crank pulley are 3 rib but the alternator is 4 rib so you need to run it on the inner most set of ribs (as shown in the pics)
You'll need to use a spacer between the alternator and the upper alt. bracket. I used a exhaust manifold washer and it worked perfectly. you will also notice the belts will hit a certain spot on the upper alt bracket, but its nothing very minor grinding wont fix, you can see the spot on the 7th picture down.
The factory lower hose also lined up fine.
tested it to 8k+ rpm, with no issues.
Big thank you to my buddy Anthony (1991silvia), who is the one who figured out this setup.
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ka_s372
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| very nice post R@mon !! two thumbs up !! |
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Liger
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank god someone has finally found a way to use various parts to do this. +1 for you |
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Craving4Boost
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| hell yeah nice write up! but instead of grinding down the upper bracket...can't you juse use the outter most ribs of the alternator pulley? That would shift the belt towards the right correct? Unless that slight angle would not be fit for high rpms?? regardless...THANK YOU |
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R@mon
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Craving4Boost wrote: | | hell yeah nice write up! but instead of grinding down the upper bracket...can't you juse use the outter most ribs of the alternator pulley? That would shift the belt towards the right correct? Unless that slight angle would not be fit for high rpms?? regardless...THANK YOU |
To line up correctly to the other belts, it needs to be on the ribs closest to the motor. Ive been meaning to see if the sohc crank pulley has a removable outer pulley like the twin cam one, and if it does, see if its 4 rib. If thats the case, you can make it a true 4 rib design also, just swap the water pump pulley to a SOHC one. Ill have to check it out. |
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Craving4Boost
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| great...let us know how that goes. Have you driven your car with no PS yet? if so, how is it? |
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R@mon
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| Craving4Boost wrote: | | great...let us know how that goes. Have you driven your car with no PS yet? if so, how is it? |
i took the PS off the car the day after i bought it. I dont mind it at all.But i guess ive just gotten used to it. |
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ZiG
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Wow, I like it.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| Nice, no more machining. |
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1wheelwonder
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Wow, thanks R@mon.
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1991Silvia
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| R@mon: im petty sure the crank pulleys are the exact same part.... |
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Craving4Boost
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sorry to bump an old thread but I just wanted to say I finished doing this today and it works great. The engine bay is so much cleaner now. I didn't get a chance to drive it much because the car is stuck behind a bunch of other cars. But I did move it back into my garage at very slow pace and the steering doesn't even seem that bad honestly. We'll see when I give it a spin tomorrow.
Only bad thing I can say is that I had to drain the coolant to change the water outlet. I was worried the RTV wouldn't harden if the housing was still moist. If your motor is already out then obviously you don't have to.
I would post up pictures but r@mon's pics are pretty clear cut. |
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Craving4Boost
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also I weighed everything in this ghetto bag and it weight around 20-25lbs without the fluid. I also did not include the hardlines. This wasn't a very good scale neither so I'm not sure how accurate it is. I know wikipedia and stuff has the numbers also but I just wanted to give my input as well.
Going to be taking out my spare tire and jack tomorrow. Who needs a spare tire when you have cell phones  |
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Craving4Boost
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| Also, for the long bolt that connects the alternator to the lower bracket, the normal locking nut gets in the way of the bottom bolt of the bracket. If you guys see in r@mon's 8th picture, he uses a slimmer locking nut. I personally was lazy and just didn't put a 3rd bolt in. You guys think it will be ok? the 2 bolts holding it in feel really solid enough but damn the alternator is heavy.... |
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This is an amazing post. Great job! Sticky somewhere???
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:38 am Post subject: |
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a 3 rib belt on a 4 rib pully isnt going to last very long.
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Miami240
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| dopeassjackson wrote: | | a 3 rib belt on a 4 rib pully isnt going to last very long. |
Why not?
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because he said so!!!
Always believe what you hear on the internets.
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Craving4Boost
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| anyone else tried it yet? |
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1991Silvia
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Craving4Boost wrote: | | anyone else tried it yet? |
the same setup has been on my friends car for a while (about 7 months).....works fine... the car is daily driven.... the 3 rib belt is fine... |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: |
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mine has been setup like that for a year so far.. Belt it still good.
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| everything now is 100% done. Honestly it's going to take some getting used to because San Francisco is very twisty. This car will be a full drag car one day anyway though. With 2 hands it's not bad. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I am in the process of changing over, among other things. I am just glad to get rid of the leaky power steering mess and clutter. |
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| yeah my POS presure line kept leaking. Went to junkyard and got another one and a couple months later it starts leaking again. I said screw it it's coming out. |
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Props to people who discover things like this. I bet it took some trial and error, but it was worth the effort.
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rob 2fast4u
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what do you do to the lines of the steering rack? do you just conect the pressure and return lines together ?
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| drifty240 wrote: | | some one makes this into a kit and sale it to me |
junkyard has the kit |
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Craving4Boost
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| rob 2fast4u wrote: | | what do you do to the lines of the steering rack? do you just conect the pressure and return lines together ? |
the hard lines on the steering rack I took off 2 of them. I only took off 2 of them because those were the only ones I really had to take off. The extra 2 behind the steering rack didn't really bother me. When I took off the first 2 lines, I just found 2 fittings that were close enough. i don't really worry much about leaking because I drained it pretty much completely.
Make sure you don't mess up the thread trying to find fittings because you never know when you're going to put it back in. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| How does no power steering with a power steering rack feel on the street for you guys anyway? |
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Craving4Boost
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:43 am Post subject: |
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it depends what area you're living in. If it's mostly open roads and easy turns, it's not bad at all.
Do you guys think I can pump fluid into the rack and then plug it back up to help ease the steering? Or will the pressure build up too greatly from not having any return? |
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oes
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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lol judging from your question, it must be somewhat of a pita.  |
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Craving4Boost
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| haha yeah a little bit. More on my dad though because sometimes he uses the car to run errands and he gets pissed all the time now. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| anyone? |
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