NISTUNE???

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NISTUNE???

Postby ka-tnoobtuber » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:48 am

Hows everyone doing, Ive been doing some research on nistune lately and all the good topics about it are always old ( like 2009) and i know there has been upgrades to this boards cause at one point i was told you cant run a gm 3 bar map? but know you can so there have been changes so i dont know what price range im looking at now ? Any help or a link to a topic would be great. Like i said all the good threads are old that i found and i know things have changed . The biggest part about this that im not understanding is the price cause a guy around here put nistune in and tunes it while driving the car for 480$ ? is that a good price cause i seen where you can get it for 433 with the software and usb cable. Any help would be awesome or a link if i over looked or missed info while searching . thanks
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Postby ka-tnoobtuber » Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:27 pm

is there anyone on here willing to give me there number so i can call you and ask a few question about nistune?? I need someone that knows about it cause this prices around here dont make since
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Postby Midnight Express » Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:46 pm

well i payed 300 shipped for mine. it was used but i had the license transfered in my name. i love it. im working with steve from shadoworks right now but its a great investment. as for the price im not sure. street tuning is fine for base tunes but i wouldnt count on it as your fine tune. you need to be on a dyno for that. id look around more if i was you.
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Postby wannabethestig » Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:38 pm

I have NISTUNE and so far it drives like stock except for stumble when coming to a stop but that is probably cause of the z32 maf and its location. I have not messed with the software yet, but I plan on looking at the tune once the shop is finished with it. I have seen some guys in Australia programming anti-lag for flat shifting and building boost at the line. I plan for 400whp in the next couple of weeks.
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Postby ka-tnoobtuber » Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:07 am

Midnight Express wrote:well i payed 300 shipped for mine. it was used but i had the license transfered in my name. i love it. im working with steve from shadoworks right now but its a great investment. as for the price im not sure. street tuning is fine for base tunes but i wouldnt count on it as your fine tune. you need to be on a dyno for that. id look around more if i was you.




ok cool thanks man^ thats the stuff i want to know. I dont want to spend 500 and not get the software or cable with it if i can get it cheaper . I guess ill look around some more , There was a forum around here somewhere that said there was a place to get them for 430ish and thats everything , id just have to find someone to solder it in for me which wouldnt be a prob. the only thing is this forums that i keep finding are kinda old and i just have a feeling that by now things have changed not only with the price but with the software to (upgrades and things of that nature) Thanks for the input man
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Postby ka-tnoobtuber » Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:18 am

wannabethestig wrote:I have NISTUNE and so far it drives like stock except for stumble when coming to a stop but that is probably cause of the z32 maf and its location. I have not messed with the software yet, but I plan on looking at the tune once the shop is finished with it. I have seen some guys in Australia programming anti-lag for flat shifting and building boost at the line. I plan for 400whp in the next couple of weeks.


where is your maf located and is it a blow thru or draw thru setup ? Ive heard that the software is actually pretty easy to fiddle with once you mess with it a couple times . I cant wait to order mine i just dont want to order the first thing that pops in front of me cause ive did that before and then after words is when i find the better deal. How much did you pay for yours ? And 400hp hell yea man thats nice , I bet a pull with 400whp would feel very nice . my hp goals right now are 275 300 somewhere in that area.

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Re: NISTUNE???

Postby bmitchell_ga » Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:07 am

ka-tnoobtuber wrote:Hows everyone doing, Ive been doing some research on nistune lately and all the good topics about it are always old ( like 2009) and i know there has been upgrades to this boards cause at one point i was told you cant run a gm 3 bar map? but know you can so there have been changes so i dont know what price range im looking at now ? Any help or a link to a topic would be great. Like i said all the good threads are old that i found and i know things have changed . The biggest part about this that im not understanding is the price cause a guy around here put nistune in and tunes it while driving the car for 480$ ? is that a good price cause i seen where you can get it for 433 with the software and usb cable. Any help would be awesome or a link if i over looked or missed info while searching . thanks


Where did you here you can use a map sensor with Nistune?
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Postby arob987 » Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:54 pm

It looks like the price of nistune has gone up, and if your not good with soldering I recommend paying extra for them to solder it. Avp is good for nistune great customer service. http://www.autovaughnperformance.com/index.php

You can't use map yet just maf supported maybe later they have lots of updates for nistune. I may be selling my complete type 3 nistune ecu/cable/software in 2-3 weeks, if your interested pm me.
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Re: NISTUNE???

Postby ka-tnoobtuber » Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:07 am

bmitchell_ga wrote:
ka-tnoobtuber wrote:Hows everyone doing, Ive been doing some research on nistune lately and all the good topics about it are always old ( like 2009) and i know there has been upgrades to this boards cause at one point i was told you cant run a gm 3 bar map? but know you can so there have been changes so i dont know what price range im looking at now ? Any help or a link to a topic would be great. Like i said all the good threads are old that i found and i know things have changed . The biggest part about this that im not understanding is the price cause a guy around here put nistune in and tunes it while driving the car for 480$ ? is that a good price cause i seen where you can get it for 433 with the software and usb cable. Any help would be awesome or a link if i over looked or missed info while searching . thanks


Where did you here you can use a map sensor with Nistune?
. I can't remember where l heard it , its been weeks ago but I guess I just learned something new lol so now map is out of the question
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Postby ka-tnoobtuber » Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:14 am

arob987 wrote:It looks like the price of nistune has gone up, and if your not good with soldering I recommend paying extra for them to solder it. Avp is good for nistune great customer service. http://www.autovaughnperformance.com/index.php

You can't use map yet just maf supported maybe later they have lots of updates for nistune. I may be selling my complete type 3 nistune ecu/cable/software in 2-3 weeks, if your interested pm me.
. Ok cool and good to know , if you selll what will you be upgrading to ?
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Postby JKTUNING » Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:18 pm

ka-tnoobtuber wrote:
arob987 wrote:It looks like the price of nistune has gone up, and if your not good with soldering I recommend paying extra for them to solder it. Avp is good for nistune great customer service. http://www.autovaughnperformance.com/index.php

You can't use map yet just maf supported maybe later they have lots of updates for nistune. I may be selling my complete type 3 nistune ecu/cable/software in 2-3 weeks, if your interested pm me.
. Ok cool and good to know , if you selll what will you be upgrading to ?


You probably heard it and confused nistune with NismoTronic :wink:

NismoTronic will be releasing our map based firmware around Jan/Feb of next year!
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Postby nx2000det » Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:54 pm

JKTUNING wrote:
ka-tnoobtuber wrote:
arob987 wrote:It looks like the price of nistune has gone up, and if your not good with soldering I recommend paying extra for them to solder it. Avp is good for nistune great customer service. http://www.autovaughnperformance.com/index.php

You can't use map yet just maf supported maybe later they have lots of updates for nistune. I may be selling my complete type 3 nistune ecu/cable/software in 2-3 weeks, if your interested pm me.
. Ok cool and good to know , if you selll what will you be upgrading to ?


You probably heard it and confused nistune with NismoTronic :wink:

NismoTronic will be releasing our map based firmware around Jan/Feb of next year!


are you also working on boost by gear?
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Postby JKTUNING » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:12 pm

nx2000det wrote:
JKTUNING wrote:
ka-tnoobtuber wrote:
arob987 wrote:It looks like the price of nistune has gone up, and if your not good with soldering I recommend paying extra for them to solder it. Avp is good for nistune great customer service. http://www.autovaughnperformance.com/index.php

You can't use map yet just maf supported maybe later they have lots of updates for nistune. I may be selling my complete type 3 nistune ecu/cable/software in 2-3 weeks, if your interested pm me.
. Ok cool and good to know , if you selll what will you be upgrading to ?


You probably heard it and confused nistune with NismoTronic :wink:

NismoTronic will be releasing our map based firmware around Jan/Feb of next year!


are you also working on boost by gear?


Yep.

There are two boost by gear tables and they are switchable with an input.. so you can have high/lo boost by gear.
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Postby ka-tnoobtuber » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:13 pm

JKTUNING wrote:
ka-tnoobtuber wrote:
arob987 wrote:It looks like the price of nistune has gone up, and if your not good with soldering I recommend paying extra for them to solder it. Avp is good for nistune great customer service. http://www.autovaughnperformance.com/index.php

You can't use map yet just maf supported maybe later they have lots of updates for nistune. I may be selling my complete type 3 nistune ecu/cable/software in 2-3 weeks, if your interested pm me.
. Ok cool and good to know , if you selll what will you be upgrading to ?


You probably heard it and confused nistune with NismoTronic :wink:

NismoTronic will be releasing our map based firmware around Jan/Feb of next year!

oh ok , yea that maybe what happen my bad . Im new to all this so honesty i dont know anything about nismotronic lol Ive heard the name a couple times but thats about it .
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Postby jholman05 » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:23 pm

JKTUNING wrote:
There are two boost by gear tables and they are switchable with an input.. so you can have high/lo boost by gear.


Awesome! Not sure if I'll need this or not for the track. Hopefully my 26x10.5 Et Streets wont spin too much with 20psi in first/second. Actually I'm not sure if I'll have enough load to make 20psi in first. I guess time will tell, and if I need to use this boost by gear I'll be able to look into it. Will I need a boost solenoid for this? http://www.nismotronic.com/sensors/jktu ... _01_26.php

Looking forward to the new firmware.
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Postby ka-tnoobtuber » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:25 pm

JKTUNING wrote:
nx2000det wrote:
JKTUNING wrote:
ka-tnoobtuber wrote:
arob987 wrote:It looks like the price of nistune has gone up, and if your not good with soldering I recommend paying extra for them to solder it. Avp is good for nistune great customer service. http://www.autovaughnperformance.com/index.php

You can't use map yet just maf supported maybe later they have lots of updates for nistune. I may be selling my complete type 3 nistune ecu/cable/software in 2-3 weeks, if your interested pm me.
. Ok cool and good to know , if you selll what will you be upgrading to ?


You probably heard it and confused nistune with NismoTronic :wink:

NismoTronic will be releasing our map based firmware around Jan/Feb of next year!


are you also working on boost by gear?


Yep.

There are two boost by gear tables and they are switchable with an input.. so you can have high/lo boost by gear.

Now i havent searched anything about nismotronic YET , ill prob be doing that when im dont here and see what they got but im going to go ahead and ask this question. Did you get this software(nismotronic) because you liked what you heard or seen of it ? Or cause there is a tuner in your area that is familiar with it? Im asking cause id like to know if its better then nistune or if its just ones preference on the two . Imma go check it out tho . thanks advance
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Postby JKTUNING » Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:22 am

jholman05 wrote:
JKTUNING wrote:
There are two boost by gear tables and they are switchable with an input.. so you can have high/lo boost by gear.


Awesome! Not sure if I'll need this or not for the track. Hopefully my 26x10.5 Et Streets wont spin too much with 20psi in first/second. Actually I'm not sure if I'll have enough load to make 20psi in first. I guess time will tell, and if I need to use this boost by gear I'll be able to look into it. Will I need a boost solenoid for this? http://www.nismotronic.com/sensors/jktu ... _01_26.php

Looking forward to the new firmware.


Yes, you will need a boost solenoid to do boost by gear or any of the ECU based boost control.

Any standard MAC valve or GM boost solenoid will work. You have an option to adjust the frequency that is required to drive the solenoid in the software!
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Postby jholman05 » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:28 am

ka-tnoobtuber wrote:Now i havent searched anything about nismotronic YET , ill prob be doing that when im dont here and see what they got but im going to go ahead and ask this question. Did you get this software(nismotronic) because you liked what you heard or seen of it ? Or cause there is a tuner in your area that is familiar with it? Im asking cause id like to know if its better then nistune or if its just ones preference on the two . Imma go check it out tho . thanks advance


I take it this was directed at me? Here's the story. I had been on a Calum RT board for 3-4 years everything worked great and I didn't really need anything different. My dad got a two tone coupe that we DE, 5 speed, 5 lug and turbo swapped and he needed an ecu, somehow we managed to find another CalumRT. Well his car wasn't togehter yet, when my old CalumRT board toasted itself. Luckily I had his Calum unit to put in my car and load my old tune on until I could find something else. I looked at Nistune but it didn't offer some of the features my ancient Calum unit did.

I looked into Nismotronic and it fit everything I needed/wanted. I was sold on it, then after I realized this I found out the hardware developer for the Nismotronic ecu lived not to many miles from my house. So I purchased another stock ecu and took it to him for the install. I asked if I could get my tune from my old calum unit convereted over to work on the Nismotronic, they pulled it off and it runs just as good as it did on the old ecu. I liked the Nismotronic so much we went ahead and got one for my dad's car as well and I currently have the Calum unit for sale.

Hope that answers your questions. For me personally I think the Nismotronic is much simpler than the old Calum/Tuner pro software. That could just be me though.
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Postby JKTUNING » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:48 am

jholman05 wrote:Hope that answers your questions. For me personally I think the Nismotronic is much simpler than the old Calum/Tuner pro software. That could just be me though.


I am glad you like it and hope you find the new SA version to be even better!

NismoTronic was designed to be a complete tuning software for the Nissan platform and to give the end user an expanded feature set over what the stock platform offers. This means you have extra features like launch control, speed density (map sensor), programmable user outputs for (nitrous, VVL solenoids, boost control), and a MUCH better logging protocol over stock to allow for faster logging speeds and A LOT more information from the ECU.

Nistune is Nissan specific, BUT it only allows access to "some" of the stock tables and does not offer any expanded features (launch control, user outputs, 8012 limit raised, etc). While it does work, it has it's own set of limitations.

TunerPro is a generic rom editor which is flexible enough to suite most things, but it isn't designed for one specific system which can have some limitations.
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Postby wannabethestig » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:36 am

JKTUNING wrote:
jholman05 wrote:Hope that answers your questions. For me personally I think the Nismotronic is much simpler than the old Calum/Tuner pro software. That could just be me though.


I am glad you like it and hope you find the new SA version to be even better!

NismoTronic was designed to be a complete tuning software for the Nissan platform and to give the end user an expanded feature set over what the stock platform offers. This means you have extra features like launch control, speed density (map sensor), programmable user outputs for (nitrous, VVL solenoids, boost control), and a MUCH better logging protocol over stock to allow for faster logging speeds and A LOT more information from the ECU.

Nistune is Nissan specific, BUT it only allows access to "some" of the stock tables and does not offer any expanded features (launch control, user outputs, 8012 limit raised, etc). While it does work, it has it's own set of limitations.

TunerPro is a generic rom editor which is flexible enough to suite most things, but it isn't designed for one specific system which can have some limitations.

Interesting feature set. It appears that someone with a 95 or newer car would have to convert to a s13 board and harness and that would cost $810.
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Postby JKTUNING » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:46 am

wannabethestig wrote:Interesting feature set. It appears that someone with a 95 or newer car would have to convert to a s13 board and harness and that would cost $810.


Unfortunately, at this time we are OBD1 ECU based, so anything OBD2 would require a step down harness. I am really trying to get this price down, but since the conversion harness isn't as popular as say a HONDA conversion harness.. it is pricey. I would love to knock another $100 off of that price in the future!

Down the road this might change, but the next platform on our plate is the 6 cylinder VG and RB setups.
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Postby wannabethestig » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:49 am

JKTUNING wrote:
wannabethestig wrote:Interesting feature set. It appears that someone with a 95 or newer car would have to convert to a s13 board and harness and that would cost $810.


Unfortunately, at this time we are OBD1 ECU based, so anything OBD2 would require a step down harness. I am really trying to get this price down, but since the conversion harness isn't as popular as say a HONDA conversion harness.. it is pricey. I would love to knock another $100 off of that price in the future!

Down the road this might change, but the next platform on our plate is the 6 cylinder VG and RB setups.

Good to know. 95 is a switchover year in that it is still obd1 but is capable of the obd2 controls.
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Postby 8-bit » Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:20 am

wannabethestig wrote:I have NISTUNE and so far it drives like stock except for stumble when coming to a stop but that is probably cause of the z32 maf and its location. I have not messed with the software yet, but I plan on looking at the tune once the shop is finished with it. I have seen some guys in Australia programming anti-lag for flat shifting and building boost at the line. I plan for 400whp in the next couple of weeks.


PM me. I can help you tune the stumble out...

Basically you need to open the IACV some more (the turbo restricts the atmospheric pressure flow of air), and if necessary raise the idle from 750 to 900 or so... Also, the timing in that part of the map, matters even though the ECU will take over during idle---it uses the mapped timing as it approaches the idle takeover mode...
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Postby ka-tnoobtuber » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:20 pm

jholman05 wrote:
ka-tnoobtuber wrote:Now i havent searched anything about nismotronic YET , ill prob be doing that when im dont here and see what they got but im going to go ahead and ask this question. Did you get this software(nismotronic) because you liked what you heard or seen of it ? Or cause there is a tuner in your area that is familiar with it? Im asking cause id like to know if its better then nistune or if its just ones preference on the two . Imma go check it out tho . thanks advance


I take it this was directed at me? Here's the story. I had been on a Calum RT board for 3-4 years everything worked great and I didn't really need anything different. My dad got a two tone coupe that we DE, 5 speed, 5 lug and turbo swapped and he needed an ecu, somehow we managed to find another CalumRT. Well his car wasn't togehter yet, when my old CalumRT board toasted itself. Luckily I had his Calum unit to put in my car and load my old tune on until I could find something else. I looked at Nistune but it didn't offer some of the features my ancient Calum unit did.

I looked into Nismotronic and it fit everything I needed/wanted. I was sold on it, then after I realized this I found out the hardware developer for the Nismotronic ecu lived not to many miles from my house. So I purchased another stock ecu and took it to him for the install. I asked if I could get my tune from my old calum unit convereted over to work on the Nismotronic, they pulled it off and it runs just as good as it did on the old ecu. I liked the Nismotronic so much we went ahead and got one for my dad's car as well and I currently have the Calum unit for sale.

Hope that answers your questions. For me personally I think the Nismotronic is much simpler than the old Calum/Tuner pro software. That could just be me though.


yea man that anwsered everything. the only thing is i know ppl that mess with nistune around here so i can get questions answered and things like that .nismotronic is something ive heard of a couple times but no one uses around here but from what i seen on its website it does seem pretty good if it does everything its says it will do . I think im going to go ahead and get nistune just so i can learn the ropes of tuning . This will be my first time so im going to start off with something noob freindly lol
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Postby 8-bit » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:16 pm

95% of ka-t builds would shine with nistune.

Also, what wasn't mentioned here.... the stock ecu, which nistune uses, has algorithms for smoothing operation. That smooth driveability in cruise is hard to replicate in a standalone. My calum (like nistune) with my own street tune was more powerful and more smooth than a dyno tuned standalone, as vouched by Sean C (he bought it and replaced his standalone).
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Postby jholman05 » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:12 pm

I'll agree with what he said completely. My main reason for going with Calum/Nismotronic is the launch control as I do a lot of drag racing with slicks. The stock electric fan control is also very nice.
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Postby 8-bit » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:20 pm

You can set up LC on a nistune... you do the LC settings in tunerpro, sav.e, then use it in nistune.

Obviously you need t start with the LC modified BIN.
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Postby ka-tnoobtuber » Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:30 am

You said that you do it with tunerpro ? is that the sofeware that comes with nistune or is that something you had to download on your own .? it may be a stupid question but ill learn from it lol
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Postby jholman05 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:45 am

8-bit wrote:You can set up LC on a nistune... you do the LC settings in tunerpro, sav.e, then use it in nistune.

Obviously you need t start with the LC modified BIN.


Ahh I didn't know this. However it seems rather tricky when you're just trying to adjust and just changing a couple hundred rpm or a degree of timing each time. Good to know it's possible though.
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Postby JKTUNING » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:15 am

8-bit wrote:95% of ka-t builds would shine with nistune.

Also, what wasn't mentioned here.... the stock ecu, which nistune uses, has algorithms for smoothing operation. That smooth driveability in cruise is hard to replicate in a standalone. My calum (like nistune) with my own street tune was more powerful and more smooth than a dyno tuned standalone, as vouched by Sean C (he bought it and replaced his standalone).


The stock firmware also has it's own limitations which can make tuning a higher HP setup a little tricky. You end up with a good bit of lost resolution, for example transitioning from cruise to WOT at different RPM points. This is only when using an "NA" firmware on a boosted setup.. like you would be doing with a KA-T.

Sure you can work around it and everything will turn out ok but there are just little things that the community has lived with for so long that I guess it has just become standard tuning practice.

But alas, I will agree that a properly tuned stock ECU based vehicle will generally run better than most standalone systems. This is mainly because most people who are tuning the standalone aren't capable of dialing in all of the little things to help make the car drive and act like stock.
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